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		<title>Comment on What does &#8220;preserved&#8221; mean? by mangocats</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;My property is home to more healthy native wildlife than any publicly owned property I know of. I take better care of the stream and forest, too.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mine, too.  But, I only have 20 acres.  If you look at the larger preserved areas, really preserved, not National Forests that are regularly &quot;maintained&quot; for recreational use, they can achieve impressive ecological complexity and health.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tragedy of the Commons… and also, air and water pollution do not respect exclusionary efforts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very true, and developed areas will continue to have to respect preserves by not using them for dumping grounds, on land, sea, and air.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t know what to do about it, but I do know that Man is a part of Nature, and there are other parts of Nature that are just as destructive of intricate natural harmonies as men and women are. Kudzu and bur cucumber come to mind.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not suggesting that every preserved area will be an instant panacea of biological diversity beauty and wonder, and early in the preservation cycle it would be prudent to do something about invasive exotics like Kudzu instead of letting them run wild, I know it seems impossible, but Sanibel Island has made impressive progress against the Brazilian Pepper - it takes persistence, or you can use the scorched earth approach like they have in the Everglades, scrape the soil down to bare limestone to get rid of the invasive seed beds, gives native plants the advantage there and they return in strength.

Between &quot;man&#039;s nature&quot; that I have seen rise with a vengeance in Florida in my lifetime, and the &quot;wild nature&quot; I have seen in places where man hasn&#039;t yet gotten the upper hand on nature, &quot;wild nature&quot; is consistently more impressive, if sometimes a little scary, but haven&#039;t we matured as a species to a point where we don&#039;t have to shoot every 12&#039; Alligator we see on sight, just because it scares us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My property is home to more healthy native wildlife than any publicly owned property I know of. I take better care of the stream and forest, too.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mine, too.  But, I only have 20 acres.  If you look at the larger preserved areas, really preserved, not National Forests that are regularly &#8220;maintained&#8221; for recreational use, they can achieve impressive ecological complexity and health.</p>
<blockquote><p>Tragedy of the Commons… and also, air and water pollution do not respect exclusionary efforts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Very true, and developed areas will continue to have to respect preserves by not using them for dumping grounds, on land, sea, and air.</p>
<blockquote><p>Don’t know what to do about it, but I do know that Man is a part of Nature, and there are other parts of Nature that are just as destructive of intricate natural harmonies as men and women are. Kudzu and bur cucumber come to mind.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that every preserved area will be an instant panacea of biological diversity beauty and wonder, and early in the preservation cycle it would be prudent to do something about invasive exotics like Kudzu instead of letting them run wild, I know it seems impossible, but Sanibel Island has made impressive progress against the Brazilian Pepper &#8211; it takes persistence, or you can use the scorched earth approach like they have in the Everglades, scrape the soil down to bare limestone to get rid of the invasive seed beds, gives native plants the advantage there and they return in strength.</p>
<p>Between &#8220;man&#8217;s nature&#8221; that I have seen rise with a vengeance in Florida in my lifetime, and the &#8220;wild nature&#8221; I have seen in places where man hasn&#8217;t yet gotten the upper hand on nature, &#8220;wild nature&#8221; is consistently more impressive, if sometimes a little scary, but haven&#8217;t we matured as a species to a point where we don&#8217;t have to shoot every 12&#8242; Alligator we see on sight, just because it scares us?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does &#8220;preserved&#8221; mean? by Charlie</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My property is home to more healthy native wildlife than any publicly owned property I know of.  I take better care of the stream and forest, too.

Tragedy of the Commons...  and also, air and water pollution do not respect exclusionary efforts.

Don&#039;t know what to do about it, but I do know that Man is a part of Nature, and there are other parts of Nature that are just as destructive of intricate natural harmonies as men and women are.  Kudzu and bur cucumber come to mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My property is home to more healthy native wildlife than any publicly owned property I know of.  I take better care of the stream and forest, too.</p>
<p>Tragedy of the Commons&#8230;  and also, air and water pollution do not respect exclusionary efforts.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know what to do about it, but I do know that Man is a part of Nature, and there are other parts of Nature that are just as destructive of intricate natural harmonies as men and women are.  Kudzu and bur cucumber come to mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Preservation is not Exclusion by mangocats</title>
		<link>http://5050by2150.wordpress.com/preservation-is-not-exclusion/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mangocats]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Africa in particular will be a challenge to preserve, especially due to the remaining megafauna (Elephants, Lions, Giraffe, etc.)  When megafauna return to the rest of the planet, they will more or less naturally adapt to the available habitat (I could imagine giant deer evolving in a very short time in the North-American East.)  Some of the existing elephant preserves in Africa have an overpopulation problem with the elephants devastating the vegetation, and, clearly, this kind of thing would need more hands-on management than simply keeping people out.  As for wanderers like the wild dogs - in the Florida Everglades, there has been some effort at fencing to help preserve the remaining panthers, fences are clearly resource intensive, but I think it might be practical if the enclosed area is large enough (3 million acres), and has broad connection causeways to large adjacent areas.

The population growth of the past 40 years (from 3.5B to 7B people) is a twisted sort of demonstration that twice as many people can in-fact live on the same amount of land.  If significant (50%) habitat preservation were practiced in places like India, I think the people would start to realize and value lifestyle benefits from living adjacent to healthy ecosystems.  The &quot;wonderful&quot; tapwater of New York City is a result of the relatively preserved Catskill mountains just to the north.  It won&#039;t be easy, or quick, but I hate to imagine a future where only 1% of the earth is preserved for natural systems and 99% is fully exploited by homo-sapiens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Africa in particular will be a challenge to preserve, especially due to the remaining megafauna (Elephants, Lions, Giraffe, etc.)  When megafauna return to the rest of the planet, they will more or less naturally adapt to the available habitat (I could imagine giant deer evolving in a very short time in the North-American East.)  Some of the existing elephant preserves in Africa have an overpopulation problem with the elephants devastating the vegetation, and, clearly, this kind of thing would need more hands-on management than simply keeping people out.  As for wanderers like the wild dogs &#8211; in the Florida Everglades, there has been some effort at fencing to help preserve the remaining panthers, fences are clearly resource intensive, but I think it might be practical if the enclosed area is large enough (3 million acres), and has broad connection causeways to large adjacent areas.</p>
<p>The population growth of the past 40 years (from 3.5B to 7B people) is a twisted sort of demonstration that twice as many people can in-fact live on the same amount of land.  If significant (50%) habitat preservation were practiced in places like India, I think the people would start to realize and value lifestyle benefits from living adjacent to healthy ecosystems.  The &#8220;wonderful&#8221; tapwater of New York City is a result of the relatively preserved Catskill mountains just to the north.  It won&#8217;t be easy, or quick, but I hate to imagine a future where only 1% of the earth is preserved for natural systems and 99% is fully exploited by homo-sapiens.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Preservation is not Exclusion by Georgina Spyres</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Georgina Spyres]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are various species that require large roaming areas in order to survive (e.g., wild dogs of Africa).  It is okay to set rules for humans but how do you set a rule for an animal that needs space and may actually enter the non-preserved areas?  The reasoning behind the 50/50 concept though, HABITAT PRESERVATION, I believe, yes, is KEY to maintaining a biodiverse planet... though it can prove difficult to practically enforce.  But so is LIFESTYLE CHANGE... not only in westernized societies but in developing societies such as those in South-East Asia that have massive population growth and as a result, uncontrolled resource use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are various species that require large roaming areas in order to survive (e.g., wild dogs of Africa).  It is okay to set rules for humans but how do you set a rule for an animal that needs space and may actually enter the non-preserved areas?  The reasoning behind the 50/50 concept though, HABITAT PRESERVATION, I believe, yes, is KEY to maintaining a biodiverse planet&#8230; though it can prove difficult to practically enforce.  But so is LIFESTYLE CHANGE&#8230; not only in westernized societies but in developing societies such as those in South-East Asia that have massive population growth and as a result, uncontrolled resource use.</p>
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